Archive:2006-09-17/raw log

Alright, the Alaskan is here What more could we ask for? w00t! alright, shall we get started? are we expecting anyone else? lets roll I think we're good ;) alright, rolling commencing :) so, paulproteus and mllerustad are taking minutes? Hm? Just paulproteus I think. ok so, attendance: I see some new nicks here ChuckWard: who are you? krups? lucychili ? Identify yourselves ;-) Ah, the strong but silent types.. Lol... alright, on to people we know.... Steve McLaughlin here, from UPenn Steven Chabot from Toronto Anthony Patarini, University of Alaska Fairbanks Dave Riordan - Hamilton College Asheesh Laroia from jhu.edu howdy :) And I'm Nelson Pavlosky from, um, Swarthmore I guess (chapterlessly) Scott Shawcroft from the University of Washington in Seattle  Ben DeRogatis from Franklin and Marshall Karen Rustad -- president-in-exile from Claremont. is that everyone? alright first order of business: the national org could use a little help what positions are actually open? see http://wiki.freeculture.org/Job help in what way? well, if you check out that web page, you can see an incomplete list of ways that you can help unfortunately there isn't much text describing what each job is, but it should be relatively self-evident I'd be glad to do something with the blog team Well, just taking a look, I've done the blog team thing before, and would do it again, and I'd be happy to help out the web team, though I'm just a bit rusty (but can still hack some basic php and such with ease) great! e1presidente and gnuklear, are you on the blog team mailing list? I was supposed to work with that before, but I never got the right auths and couldn't start writing Heh, I can't recall, it's been a while I'm on the web team. probably not I'm not on the listserv  I'm a dumbass history major and don't know anything about programming, but I'd be glad to help with blogging OK, I'll put you guys on that mailing list we can use lots of people who are good at writing for the blog team lol, just tell me what you need paul s/a/at there will be some overlap with the "press team" which does media relations for us cwilkin is theoretically the web team lead, but I've been leading when necessary in his absence. ok it would be good to get on the group blog alright, everyone who wants to help with the blog please hang around after the meeting so we can hook you up make it more prominent i second that in the mean time, please go to http://freeculture.org/blog/ and make sure that you have an account registered there try to go to http://freeculture.org/blog/wp-admin/ and it should give you an opportunity to register got an account - e1presidente ok, like I said, we'll hook you up with posting permissions if you don't have them already, after the meeting moving forward we could use some graphic designers and artists so if you are one or know one, please talk to Karen / mllerustad Ah, yes, the bane of the open source project... eye candy... I think that expanding the blog team is good enough for today, so we can move on, unless anybody wants to talk further about helping with the national org Are there any other real gaps with national? Hows our non-profit status stuff going, also? oh, there are tons. Non-profit is stalled while we wait for a pro bono lawyer we could create a free culture channel for the democracy player God Yes. k tannewt: we could tie that into the anti-drm video project tannewt: yes, we should do that, work with the blog team and web team to make that happen skyfaller, alright it shouldn't be that hard, it should simply be a matter of making a category on our existing blog for video and channel-izing that we're going to need a team if we want to produce content on a regular basis I'll support the idea of a freeculture channel... provided it doesn't take significant resources from other areas of the organization... right for now it's just part of a blog team *The alrighty I think we could aim to get a post a day out, with enough people it should be not too much work skyfaller, Should we look into OpenID registration for our WordPress? That makes adding bloggers easier if they already have an OpenID ID somewhere else. we can take care of the channel at the web team meeting on Weds, or on our own time well, that said, I did start a small DemocracyTV channel at one point (http://www.libertv.org) so I wouldn't mind helping set something up for it paulproteus: sure, it looked kind of sketchy to me but if you can make it work that would be fun gnuklear: oh, groovy :) let's talk more about this on Weds k skyfaller, I "might" look into that, then. (-: http://wiki.freeculture.org/2006-09-20 is the web team meeting schabot, "a post a day" - you mean as far as the FC.o blog? skyfaller, I dont think I can make it Or you mean Democracy Player? I think he means the blog not the video channle yeah the blog like I said, I think the video channel can just be a category on the blog sorry, I am at work and I am a little slow on the discussion :) schabot, I think aiming for two a week (one during the week, one on the weekend) is more realistic and still is an improvement. ok, but if we had like 7 people writing, once a day is not so hard how many are writing now? http://freeculture.org/blog/ - posts are few and far between.... I don't think it's so important to have a certain number of posts per day, it's just a matter of updating regularly, especially when there is big news. 1 a day is a reasonable goal, though I think we should aim for gradual improvement.  Once a day would be nice, for sure, but let's set more realistic goals on the path there. Ok, so that should be a stated desire for improvement from this meeting: More blog posts, from more people. we have a decent technorati ranking, lots of people link to us I just mean I think that if we spread the work, little work goes a long way it could be a good way to get the word out about things we care about indeed schabot, I agree, I just want the transition to that to be gradual. and it will make our site more diverse, because we all have our own interest I might also take a crack at writing some articles we'll see paulproteus: no reason for it to be gradual if everyone wants to get started right now ;-) skyfaller, Yeah, but then in two weeks people will feel like they've written a lot and wonder what to say. (or so I worry) everyone who wants to blog should be put on the blog team mailing list oh me But anyway, we all agree we want more blogging. (-: one thing that list will be used for is e-mailing people when there is a piece of news that needs to be blogged so if people run out of things they've thought of on their own, they can check that list for other things to discuss :) and we can discuss how to cover the news if it is politically sensitive Hint: "idiot neocons" may be fun to say, but is not helpful heh http://wiki.freeculture.org/2006-09-17#FCo_blogging hi skyfaller alright, so like I said, everyone who wants to blog stay after the meeting and we'll make sure you're hooked up awesome, I got quoted. sorry i wasnt about im a visitor that is "Real Time" quotation No prob, lucychili, the agenda and minutes so far are at http://wiki.freeculture.org/2006-09-17 . thanks lucychili, So read up there and pay attention here; if you have questions about already-covered stuff, ask, and try to participate in the discussion as it takes place here. lucychili: are you at a school somewhere? this is the room for the student organization http://freeculture.org yes which doesn't mean you have to leave if you're not a student, just that if you are a student we want to help you start a Free Culture chapter on your campus ;-) i know i am not a student ah, too bad i am from australia anyway, moving on wow wouldn;t that be great, australia ive been talking to klepas about doing something freeculture ish in australia but we wouldnt necessarily be campus based im more org based but i'd let klepas take the lead on that well, more free culture is always good :) Is there anything more to be said on "helping the national organization"? nope, I think we've done enough for today on that subject is it possible to do a chapter which isnt campus based? Remix Reading sounds closer lucychili, Not a "chapter", but an "affiliated organization" might well be possible. ok ty yeah, paul basically said what I was thinking... moving on so, moving on... how can the national organization help your local chapter? well, if you'd like to, oh, I don't know, make software patents illegal, that would help... please? :) Someone should announce the new chapters starting this fall ;-) then try to get it on slashdot/digg alright! first job for the new blog team members ;-) dunno if that's digg/slashdot worthy, but sure we can try Well, Cory on BoingBoing would probably be more open to posting it yeah BoingBoing too I could use the annoucment, no one is biting here And getting boinged is just as good as /.ed yup OK oh, another thing I wanted is for people who did something vaguely FC-related over the summer to blog about that e.g. paulproteus working at CC ;-) but we can take care of that later did we have any EFFers? I've got a software project in my mind that will at some point need the support of chapters around the country Does switching entirely to GNU/Linux count? gnuklear: sure :) cool if that was your project for the summer will blog about that then tannewt: what's that? do you as a group all do something for software freedom day? I traveled the country interviewing people about internet culture. tannewt: I know that, and you should blog about that :) but what's the software project? skyfaller, a media distribution system, but there is no code written just a lot of though thought Oh, that reminds me... CEO of Project Gutenberg is an employee of UAF, anyone looking to get in contact with him can try through me what kind of "media distribution system"? what's wrong with Bittorrent or archive.org or the Democracy Player platform? Or limewire... college kids love limewire :p or all three together in a nice 2.0 package skyfaller, a p2p system allowing people to sell their work They already exist tannewt: that's just screaming "DRM" to me without DRM, for indie artists mainly unless you're talking about something like http://www.jamendo.com/en/ nope We can chatter about the pros and cons of that post-meeting, I suppose. I'd be interested in hearing more at some point. skyfaller, http://students.washington.edu/scotts4/commedia/ ok http://www.movedigital.com/ formerly prodigem unless I misunderstand, sounds like what you're talking about oh yeah! I had a prodigem account, I'll have to check that out again Lessig used it at one point I recall oh crap, they're patenting something? MoveDigital's Patent on volumetric network access is set to issue in August. whobe whatey? I'd love to discuss my idea later we have just had software freedom day and included training people on ubuntu, i am working on a card game to model copyright and copyleft publishing, in au the foss software folk actively promote free culture on software freedom day - you might be able to gain momentum and people by supporting that event it is a real buzz lucychili: yes, we are doing some software freedom day events on our campuses cool OK, I'd like to hear from some of the people who have been quiet well, I'm going to go but I'll leave my comp on so I can read it later cheers dammit, I was about to ask FMFreeCulture to speak First person to talk gets a dollar http://lucychili.net/sfd/alpha.shtml ... first new person stevemcl: what do you think the national organization could do to help your chapter? how is your chapter doing, and what are its weak points? or e1presidente or anyone, really Lol, well, I'll talk about UAF I guess... we need to get a solid board in place stevemcl: board? which we'll be doing at our general body meeting a week from now Leaders of the club, skyfaller. The biggest issue with my chapter is finding a membership base me too ... ditto i think once we're solidified i'll have a better idea of our needs However fantastic they are, EFF decoder rings don't have as much pull as we'd imagine <.< Need to find that guy who always walks around with the firefox t-shirt my game plan for getting more free culture people is to go join things like the local community tv channel board, meaning treasurer, promotions director, etc. learn about what they do and help with a project to cover sffd all the freshmen at penn read lessig's book as part of a yearly reading project 0.0 so we had about 50 people sign up right away Fantastic, you've got a huge pool right there wow... how'd you manage that one?!? just set up a table at the student organization fair, and a lot of people came over and talked to me Lessig went to UPenn as an undergrad No, I think gnuklear wants to know how you got the whole class to read _Free Culture_. I kinda meant the Lessig thing (And there's the answer.) ah ah, that'd do it are there uni radio stations on your campuses? yes, and stevemcl has a show :) yep stevemcl: I was listening to your show for a while and recognized Negativland, but some of it was too experimental for me ;-) doing interviews on $event on your local radio could reach the wider student groups as well as perhaps getting interest from the people running the radio? so people aside from stevemcl have problems attracting members? is that what I'm hearing? Well, the effort hasn't really been put into it, so no, not really yet gnuklear: talk to me privately, we'll get you hooked up with goodies etc. but, give me a couple weeks, and that'll be what I'm complaining about.. gnuklear: same here, not having any help, I was waiting for everyone on campus to settle in first well, least I'm not alone on that count. And yeah, we'll talk after the meeting Nelsom Nelson* sorry brbb *brb One way FC.o might be able to help is with canned posters and promotional materials. MacDome is a WebKit hacker emeritus and has a passion for fashion and is finally back in CA! and has junk in his trunk! Ah, jibot, on topic as usual... I'm working on setting up a a ccHost install that would serve up things like that and make contributing your own promotional materials to it easy. paulproteus: I agree, I am wanting to just plop myself at a table, it would be good to have things to send away with people wipo broadcast treaty would be a good issue to use to get people talking its bad news for CC and in progress now lucychili: It's important, to be sure, but would take a lot of explaining to "average" people on why it affects them as opposed to, say, iTunes DRM which directly affects them the broadcasters are aiming to claim control of rebroadcast for 20+years on anything they boradcast thats pretty simple they are aiming for a right which has not fair use which has no recognition of gpl or cc licenses *nods* I agree, but at the same time, myspace for a long period time claimed copyright to everything users posted... how many people cared? this is an international treaty they have steamrollered 10 countries who opposed it and its coming from over there the ngo's have been silenced in the process get robin gross or someone to come and talk im sure she'd be amazing It's an issue that needs to be addressed. I absolutely agree. an idea back All I'm saying is, I don't think it's the best people to introduce people to the free culture movement with... best issue* http://ipjustice.org/ another thing that we've talked about a lot in the past is having canned events and publicity stunts that you can do to attract members it means they want to make a non distributed internet with broadcast holders controlling the right to broadcast one thing you can do is write an op-ed in your student newspaper, if your newspaper happens to be one that students actually read stevemcl did a good one recently at http://www.firstcallmagazine.com/Archives/0701/070101_McLaughlin.html It's reaching the one-hour mark. Any more ideas for how national can help local chapters? If not, anything else to add to the agenda? folks cound do mashups of the barenakedladies stuff, or work with a usa band to get the same kind of thing happening? http://www.cbc.ca/technology/story/2006/09/14/barenakedladies-internet.html OH!! I forgot the most important thing! I think an announcment on the blog of all the new chapters and a one line bio of the reps would be good has everyone seen http://freeculture.org/blog/2006/09/15/downwithdrm/ ? yup this is something you should mention on your campuses, and maybe try to enter into skyfaller, Is there a flyer for that I can put up in my local Digital Media Center ? paulproteus: no, and that is something we should remedy OK, I guess that's all I have for the meeting http://wiki.freeculture.org/2006-09-17 is the minutes. Any last items worth adding to the agenda? people who want to do work on the website / Democracy channel should come back on Weds If not, stick around anyway and we can all keep chattering! alright, I think I'm going to declare the meeting officially over
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