15:59 < r2wj> foooooooooclooockkk
15:59 < skyfaller> hahaha
16:00 < skyfaller> we still have a minute
16:00 < skyfaller> ... no we don't
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16:00 < skyfaller> meeting time!
16:00 < benmoskowitz> wow
16:00 < benmoskowitz> punctual
16:00 < tlevine> !
16:00 < skyfaller> that was intense benmoskowitz
16:01 < skyfaller> well, let's get this show on the road!
16:01 < benmoskowitz> skyfaller: i know
16:01 < skyfaller> http://wiki.freeculture.org/2010-12-11 is the wiki page for this meeting, featuring the Agenda
16:01 < skyfaller> feel free to edit it mercilessly, be bold
16:01 < skyfaller> I would also like to use some sort of Etherpad to take collaborative minutes
16:01 < alecstory> did you just add all that stuff 30 seconds ago?
16:01 -!- Hydroxide [~jimmy@lopsa/board/debian.developer.jimmy] has joined #freeculture
16:02 < skyfaller> yes, sorry :)
16:02 < skyfaller> I was editing it in my browser window and finally hit save
16:02 < oo7akbnd> heyo
16:02 < skyfaller> well, while I try to get piratepad to cooperate, shall we begin the introductions?
16:02 < Hydroxide> hello
16:03 < skyfaller> I'm Nelson Pavlosky, I co-founded Students for Free Culture, and I'm currently a 3rd year law student at New York Law School.
16:04 < skyfaller> let's take collaborative minutes here! http://ietherpad.com/IpspFqVSBy
16:04 < tlevine> I'm Tom, chief propagandist of the Cornell chapter. I'm a senior ergonomics major. My favorite color is pink.
16:04 < alecstory> I'm Alec Story, president of the Cornell chapter. I'm a Junior CS and Biology double major at Cornell.
16:05 < pyrak> hey
16:05 < pyrak> sry im late
16:05 < Hydroxide> I'm Jimmy Kaplowitz, treasurer and co-founder of the Fordham Law chapter. I'm a first-year evening student at Fordham Law School.
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16:05 < oo7akbnd> I'm Adi Kamdar. I'm on the board of directors of SFC. I'm a junior history of science major at Yale. Founded the chapter here a few years ago, and it's going pretty strong.
16:05 -!- skyfaller changed the topic of #freeculture to: Students for Free Culture || http://freeculture.org || Website suggestions? - Report a bug at https://launchpad.net/web/ | Chapters meeting at 4 PM Eastern: http://wiki.freeculture.org/2010-12-11 | collaborative minutes here: http://ietherpad.com/IpspFqVSBy
16:06 < outis010> I'm Joe Dempsey, president and co-founder of the Fordham Law Chapter. I'm in my final year of law school.
16:06 < pyrak> i'm Parker Phinney. On the board. Junior at Dartmouth. 1-person chapter.
16:06 < pyrak> (but going strong!)
16:06 < pyrak> doing lot's of opencourseware stuff
16:06 <@skyfaller> pyrak is a strong guy
16:06 < oo7akbnd> (I'm gonna throw this out there: I may be slightly back and forth from this conversation, though I want to participate as much as possible. I just have a big final very soon, and need as much studying done by tomorrow...)
16:07 < pyrak> im amn't afraid of anything
16:07 <@skyfaller> no worries oo7akbnd :)
16:07 < pyrak> i also have to bow out before the hour is up because i have a flight to catch
16:07 <@skyfaller> no prob
16:07 < pyrak> i lost my wallet! i'm stressed
16:07 * pyrak shuts up
16:07 <@skyfaller> has everyone introduced themselves?
16:07 < benmoskowitz> i am
16:07 < benmoskowitz> ben moskowitz, co-founded berkeley with alex kozak
16:08 <@skyfaller> glad to have you here!
16:08 <@skyfaller> It appears our gender ratio is a bit imbalanced today, gentlemen
16:08 <@skyfaller> next time please bring some women and other genders
16:09 <@skyfaller> well, I guess that wraps up the introduction
16:09 <@skyfaller> according to my magical agenda, next is the conference!
16:09 <@skyfaller> anybody want to talk about the conference?
16:09 < pyrak> we have a mailing list where we do most of the chatter, link in a sec
16:09 < alecstory> How easy do you think couchsurfing there will be?
16:10 <@skyfaller> I just threw up the link at http://wiki.freeculture.org/2010-12-11#SFC_NYC_2011
16:10 < oo7akbnd> relatively easy, I think. besides the fact that NYC has a lot of people, it has a lot of students who are usually willing to end a couch/floor
16:10 < tlevine> People can stay at my place ~40 minute train ride and ~5 minute walk from Grand Central
16:10 < pyrak> interesting, the wifi wants me to register my device to get http, even though im getting this irc chat for free.
16:10 <@skyfaller> I'm happy to offer my couch and floor
16:11 < tlevine> And my house has beds
16:11 < alecstory> ok, cool, so that's not a problem
16:11 < pyrak> so i cant access the mailing list url, but its easily accessible from conf11.freeculture.org
16:11 < alecstory> pyrak: ssh proxy?
16:12 < alecstory> oh, tlevine had a point that we shouldn't call it a listserv if it's hosted on mailman since listserv is a trademark
16:12 <@skyfaller> yeah, it sounds like anyone who wants to couch surf will be able to
16:12 <@skyfaller> alecstory: we love genericizing trademarks
16:12 < alecstory> (re the "conf 11 listserv" on the conf 11 website)
16:12 < Hydroxide> we can call it a mailing list anyway
16:12 <@skyfaller> I blow my nose with kleenex regardless of the brand
16:12 < Hydroxide> that's accurate and better
16:13 < Hydroxide> skyfaller: I still use tissues. though I don't use slide fasteners instead of zippers :)
16:13 <@skyfaller> hahaha
16:13 <@skyfaller> I guess the main thing is we need to make sure that everyone who wants a place to crash actually gets one
16:13 <@skyfaller> how was couchsurfing organized at previous conferences?
16:13 < Hydroxide> conf11 mailing list URL: http://freeculture.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/conf11
16:14 < oo7akbnd> good question. benmoskowitz would know better...?
16:14 < tlevine> hmm so what are we doing at this conference...?
16:14 < benmoskowitz> it's been very ad hoc
16:15 < benmoskowitz> if there are any active couchsurfers
16:15 <@skyfaller> I think when I ran conferences we just called everyone together at the end of the first day and made sure everyone knew where they were sleeping that night :P
16:15 < benmoskowitz> perhaps we start agroup at couchsurfing
16:15 < alecstory> eh, that'd probably work, except for people who need to arrive the previous day
16:15 < pyrak> ilike that idea!
16:15 <@skyfaller> alecstory: excellent point
16:15 < benmoskowitz> we should solicit that as part of the registration system
16:15 <@skyfaller> agreed
16:15 < benmoskowitz> do you need a couch? (not guaratneed)
16:15 < benmoskowitz> can you lend a couch?
16:15 <@skyfaller> which reminds me that we should have a registration system
16:15 < benmoskowitz> and try to match people
16:15 < benmoskowitz> we can use wufoo
16:16 * skyfaller hates wufoo, but OK
16:16 < benmoskowitz> or eventbrite, they do payment
16:16 < oo7akbnd> does wufoo cost $?
16:16 < benmoskowitz> i hate wufoo too
16:16 < Hydroxide> when I ran conferences, or helped to run conferences, it was debconf, which is way-hyper-well-organized even without paid staff, so not the best comparison :P
16:16 <@skyfaller> hahaha
16:16 < benmoskowitz> wufoo does, if we use payment
16:16 < benmoskowitz> eventbrite also sucks but is free
16:16 < oo7akbnd> what did we use last time?
16:16 < benmoskowitz> eventrbite
16:16 < tlevine> I imagine some cs person has written some wonderful algorithm for matching couch-surfers with couches at a conference
16:16 <@skyfaller> well, we could try to emulate that, how did Debconf work things?
16:17 < alecstory> n is small enough here to do that by hand, surely
16:17 < Hydroxide> skyfaller: first step: start 2 years in advance :P
16:17 < Hydroxide> (not joking)
16:17 <@skyfaller> hahahaha
16:17 <@skyfaller> oops
16:17 <@skyfaller> OK, maybe two conferences from now we can be that organized :P
16:17 < Hydroxide> skyfaller: also involved a lot of corporate sponsors funding housing and food and such. as I said, not the best comparison :)
16:17 <@skyfaller> well, we have some corporate sponsors sometimes too
16:17 <@skyfaller> but it's clearly not the same scale
16:17 < Hydroxide> cool. we can definitely talk, yeah
16:17 < alecstory> skyfaller: we do?
16:18 < oo7akbnd> yeah
16:18 < oo7akbnd> we're in talks right now with some folks
16:18 <@skyfaller> yeah, people like Red Hat sometimes chip in
16:18 < tlevine> For the last ergonomics conference I was at, students who wanted roommates filled out a form that put their names in a spreadsheet, and then the students emailed each other.
16:18 <@skyfaller> oo7akbnd: any word who with?
16:18 < oo7akbnd> sent out feelers to google, mozilla, yale
16:18 < Hydroxide> cool
16:18 < oo7akbnd> any other suggestions would be welcome
16:18 <@skyfaller> well, it's clear that no matter what registration technology we use, we should have registration system, and it should include a field indicating whether you need a place to crash
16:19 < alecstory> also, do we have a space for the conference yet?
16:19 < oo7akbnd> we do
16:19 < oo7akbnd> nyu
16:19 < oo7akbnd> buildings already reserved
16:19 < Hydroxide> yay
16:19 < alecstory> cool, that's a nicer part of town than columbia
16:19 < oo7akbnd> yep, plus a lot of surrounding restaurants and young people
16:20 <@skyfaller> wayyyyyyyyy back someone asked exactly what we will be doing at this conference
16:21 < tlevine> skyfaller is right
16:21 <@skyfaller> pyrak wanted the theme to be the bullet points of the Open University Campaign, and to plan speakers and BOF sessions around that
16:22 <@skyfaller> but there was some disagreement with that suggestion, and I'm not clear on what the alternatives are
16:22 < alecstory> define BOF please?
16:22 <@skyfaller> Birds Of a Feather
16:22 <@skyfaller> people who are interested in that subject get together and... self-organize around the topic?
16:22 < Hydroxide> informal gathering with maybe a bit of a initial presentation but more like a discussion than a talk
16:22 < oo7akbnd> i think an idea was touch on Open University themes in one or two panels/sessions, but also touch on innovation and student activism (on a more meta level) in general
16:23 < Hydroxide> we could also do something(s) about net neutrality and freedom of information on the internet, maybe
16:23 < alecstory> we should also talk about things we need to lobby for: upcoming bills, etc.
16:24 < alecstory> alternatively, agaisnt
16:24 <@skyfaller> I think that if we don't do something covering Wikileaks and its associated issues, we may be ignoring something kind of important/exciting
16:24 <@skyfaller> I mean, this org was started after a leak of embarrassing information :)
16:24 < alecstory> I agree, although we'll have to make sure that it's current, and not based on the situation as it is today
16:25 < Hydroxide> ya
16:25 <@skyfaller> One thing I wanted to try to do was invite people from other student activist groups to get some cross-pollination of ideas for student activism
16:25 <@skyfaller> aw fudge, I need to respond to that UAEM guy I contacted, I've been busy studying
16:26 < oo7akbnd> yep, UAEM would be great
16:26 < oo7akbnd> i reached out to chris wong from your school (who organized Innovate/Activate, another conference with similar themes)
16:27 < alecstory> please define UAEM
16:27 <@skyfaller> oh, thank you for doing that, sorry I didn't get there first :)
16:27 < oo7akbnd> universities allied for essential medicines
16:27 < oo7akbnd> (i think)
16:27 <@skyfaller> yes
16:27 < oo7akbnd> they promote universities opening up research on essential drugs
16:27 <@skyfaller> they do a lot of stuff related to drug patents
16:27 < oo7akbnd> not locking them down with patents
16:27 < alecstory> ok, what I got first was Universidad Autónoma del Estado de México
16:27 < oo7akbnd> hahah
16:27 <@skyfaller> lollerskates
16:28 <@skyfaller> well, OK, so we're going to have some official panels and speakers, and then some informal breakout groups, based on some topics
16:28 < alecstory> is there anything chapters can help with for the organization? people at our schools you'd like us to ask?
16:28 < Hydroxide> there's some great free software stuff in mexico, but yeah, probably beyond the scope of the 2011 conf :)
16:28 <@skyfaller> the classic thing to do is to have the first day be a conference, while the second day is an unconference
16:29 <@skyfaller> well, one thing we haven't covered yet is whether everyone will be able to physically get to the conference
16:29 <@skyfaller> it seems like most of the people in this channel are east coast and won't have much difficulty
16:29 <@skyfaller> but I know at least some of our chapters are not on the east coast, there was a guy from AZ who responded to the poll for setting up this meeting for instance
16:30 < alecstory> could we do a live webcast, and maybe some sort of way to ask questions remotely of speakers?
16:30 <@skyfaller> that's always a good plan
16:30 < alecstory> so that requires somebody to take video, and whatever software we'd need for the webcasting
16:30 <@skyfaller> we should also try to secure some travel funding, but it would be great of course if chapters could secure their own travel funding
16:31 < alecstory> is that obtainable?
16:31 < benmoskowitz> it's something we're working on
16:31 < Hydroxide> alecstory: the software Debian uses for DebConf's live video streams is definitely available
16:31 < benmoskowitz> the conference itself is incredibly low cost
16:31 < Hydroxide> it's been used and developed since 2006
16:31 < benmoskowitz> close to free
16:31 < benmoskowitz> 90 percent money we raise is for travel
16:31 < benmoskowitz> but we don't hav a lot of time to raise money
16:31 < benmoskowitz> so if you have ideas, let's hear em
16:32 < alecstory> Hydroxide: wonderful, I hope that's easy to configure
16:32 <@skyfaller> benmoskowitz: well, we haven't discussed where we're holding the afterparty for the conference, have we? That could take a little money if we need to rent space
16:32 < Hydroxide> alecstory: doubtful :) http://dvswitch.alioth.debian.org/wiki/ is its website, and I know lots of people would be happy to help
16:33 <@skyfaller> I sent an e-mail to the conf11 list about party space and nobody responded
16:33 < benmoskowitz> i nominate aditi's apartment
16:33 < alecstory> Hydroxide: we should do some dry runs of that before the conference. Also, do we have video cameras that will work?
16:33 <@skyfaller> hahaha
16:34 < benmoskowitz> brb
16:34 <@skyfaller> I have a miniDV video camera I can lend to the cause if necessary
16:34 < Hydroxide> alecstory: no clue about that
16:34 <@skyfaller> with firewire it is a perfectly decent webcam
16:34 < Hydroxide> alecstory: probably either yes or we can borrow some from the local community
16:34 < tlevine> alecstory: This doesn't solve the video issue, but I have cross-platform software that'll play music in two places in near-perfect synchrony
16:35 <@skyfaller> hahaha
16:35 < tlevine> We could extend it to lights and whatnot
16:35 < tlevine> alecstory was apparently not talking about the party...
16:35 * Hydroxide points out that we're at :35 and should make sure we get through the agenda, if desired
16:35 <@skyfaller> well, the agenda is roughly in order of importance...
16:36 < Hydroxide> ok
16:36 <@skyfaller> so I'm not terribly concerned if we don't get all the way through
16:36 <@skyfaller> I want to make sure that the conference planning is going well before we move on
16:36 <@skyfaller> are there any pieces that the conference is missing? I think the lack of party space is key
16:37 <@skyfaller> ... pyrak? oo7akbnd?
16:37 < oo7akbnd> hi, sorry.
16:37 < oo7akbnd> lemme catch up, 2 seconds.
16:37 <@skyfaller> np
16:38 < alecstory> skyfaller: I really don't think the lack of party space is crucial to the conference...
16:38 < pyrak> so we're making headway on funding i think
16:38 <@skyfaller> clearly you do not place sufficient importance on partying ;-)
16:38 < pyrak> as far as i know, speakers are the most dire need right now
16:38 < tlevine> I still don't think we have a clear idea of the topics for the first day or the method of choosing speakers, &c.
16:39 <@skyfaller> OK, so we need to figure out what topics we want speakers on, i.e. what panels we want to have
16:39 <@skyfaller> and then maybe assign people to recruit speakers for each topic?
16:39 < pyrak> yeah
16:39 < pyrak> or, like, decide that we want to keep the speaking really light and give more time to unconference
16:39 < pyrak> but a more planned unconference
16:40 < oo7akbnd> open education (OER and OA?), net neutrality, wikileaks, innovation/foss, copyright/creation/music, student activism
16:40 < pyrak> just in that the sessions and tracks are discussed more before hand
16:40 < oo7akbnd> to throw some out...
16:40 <@skyfaller> I'm willing to try something more unconference-y, but I think that 50% unconference can be sufficient
16:40 < alecstory> how many hours of speaking do we plan?
16:41 < alecstory> (and how many speakers do we want that to equate to?)
16:41 < tlevine> Given only a day, I can't imagine inviting too many outside speakers. If we have a few invited keynote speakers, we might have a few hours left for 30 speakers in two tracks at most
16:42 < oo7akbnd> so i'm thinking we should only have a few keynote speakers... two max (one opener and one closer?) or something
16:42 <@skyfaller> yeah, I definitely would prefer lots of panels
16:42 < oo7akbnd> and the first day should largely be panels that feature a mix of students and others
16:42 <@skyfaller> and fewer keynote speakers
16:42 < alecstory> we should come up with time allotments then, so we can decide how many of what to recruit
16:42 < tlevine> why panels and not one-person talks?
16:43 <@skyfaller> tlevine: personally, b/c SFC is a big tent organization, I want to cover as much territory as possible... it can be difficult to capture the full range of free culture issues with individual speakers
16:44 < alecstory> skyfaller: surely panels have the same issue, or else they just ramble senselessly
16:44 < Hydroxide> depends on the moderator
16:44 < Hydroxide> and the panel composition
16:44 < tlevine> skyfaller: panels also take more time. instead of giving one hour to a many-person panel, we could give a few minutes each to many persons
16:45 <@skyfaller> sure, that's the idea behind lightning sessions, which we've attempted at at least one conference
16:45 <@skyfaller> lightning talks
16:45 < tlevine> i didn't mean lighting sessions really; i meant like 15 minutes each
16:45 <@skyfaller> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lightning_Talk
16:45 < Hydroxide> tlevine: that seems qualitatively different than most of an hour on one topic, even at the pace of 15 minutes
16:45 < alecstory> also, doesn't have an entire day for unconference ensure coverage of what people are interested in?
16:46 <@skyfaller> I think that conversations can also be more interesting than planned talks
16:46 <@skyfaller> but most panels will include like 5 minutes of presentation for each panel member before the conversation begins
16:46 <@skyfaller> just so they have something to talk about
16:46 < tlevine> considering that i've never been to one of these before, i'm reluctant to make very many suggestions actually
16:46 < Hydroxide> full disclosure: neither have I :)
16:47 < tlevine> oh
16:47 <@skyfaller> hahaha
16:47 < tlevine> well then
16:47 < tlevine> I'm curious: how many of us could have some sort of interesting presentation ready or would could have something interesting to say on a panel by then?
16:47 <@skyfaller> although the lightning talks we tried weren't awful, that's something I'd tend to stick in the unconference portion
16:48 <@skyfaller> actually I would really like to present at this conference
16:48 <@skyfaller> but depending on the panels available I may not fit on one
16:49 < tlevine> I'm not really up on the major freedom-related happenings, actually, so the only thing that I could talk about that I think might interest everyone is a relationship between ergonomics, particularly usability, and freedom
16:49 < pyrak> okay guys, i gotta run
16:49 < pyrak> will be sure to read scrollback!
16:49 < pyrak> thanks!
16:49 <@skyfaller> we'll try to get good minutes for you pyrak
16:50 <@skyfaller> oh hey, we have like 10 minutes left before the hour mark
16:50 < alecstory> I still feel like we haven't even decided how long we want people to talk for. How can we decide how much of what without deciding that?
16:51 <@skyfaller> alright, I'm looking at a spreadsheet with a tentative schedule
16:51 <@skyfaller> it calls for panel 1: 9:30-10:50
16:51 <@skyfaller> panel 2: 11:00-12:20
16:51 <@skyfaller> 12:30-1:15 lunch
16:52 <@skyfaller> 1:30-2:30 keynote (35m) and Q/A (15m)
16:52 <@skyfaller> 2:45-4:15 panel 3
16:52 < tlevine> Put it on Google Docs or preferably some more free equivalent
16:52 <@skyfaller> 4:30-5:30 keynote(35m) and q&a(15m)
16:52 <@skyfaller> it's on google docs
16:52 < tlevine> send us the link
16:53 < alecstory> yeah, I'm sorry if I'm a little out of the loop on the conference planning, I didn't realize the mailing list existed
16:53 < alecstory> honestly, I think that schedule would be fine for me
16:53 <@skyfaller> that's what meetings like this are for :) unfortunately I bet lots of people don't realize this meeting exists :)
16:54 <@skyfaller> honestly I'd rather have another panel rather than 2 keynotes
16:54 <@skyfaller> but if star power will bring people to this conference, then whatever
16:55 < alecstory> skyfaller: you have Diaspora as a possible speaker; do you know where they're based?
16:55 <@skyfaller> yeah, they're in SF but they're originally from NYC
16:55 < oo7akbnd> i tend to agree, skyfaller
16:55 < oo7akbnd> but star power does count for something
16:55 < oo7akbnd> plus helps with funding
16:55 < alecstory> getting them to come would be awesome :D
16:56 < oo7akbnd> we already have one or two of them definitely coming
16:56 < alecstory> oh, that's terrific
16:56 < oo7akbnd> and i believe the other two have given a tentative yes
16:56 < alecstory> heck, a panel with them would be pretty sweet, maybe include some of their competitors? Appleseed, gnu social?
16:56 <@skyfaller> I'd really like to nail down the themes of each panel
16:57 <@skyfaller> hahaha
16:57 < alecstory> heck, shoot zuckerberg an email :P
16:57 < tlevine> alecstory: ooh what if we include their competitors but don't tell them
16:57 <@skyfaller> LOL
16:57 <@skyfaller> I don't really want to turn this into the "open source social networking" conference, I'd rather have at least other relevant FOSS projects not necessarily in the social networking field
16:58 <@skyfaller> to try to broaden the nature of the panel
16:59 <@skyfaller> maybe we can have a panel structured around the Open University Campaign? http://wiki.freeculture.org/Open_University_Campaign#The_Wheeler_Declaration
16:59 < alecstory> but I think having a panel on that would be appropriate
16:59 < alecstory> that being open social networking
16:59 <@skyfaller> have one speaker for each of the 5 bullet points talk about that issue within the context of the university
16:59 <@skyfaller> and then converse about how to advance our agenda within universities
17:00 < Hydroxide> Sorry guys, I have to eat something and maybe get ready for my final exam review session on monday. it's been a good hour :) I hope the rest of the meeting goes well
17:00 <@skyfaller> alright, thanks for coming!
17:00 < Hydroxide> ttyl.
17:00 * Hydroxide &
17:00 <@skyfaller> we should probably wrap up this meeting right about now
17:00 < alecstory> can we take the planning to the email list?
17:01 < alecstory> I think this needs to get worked out soon
17:01 <@skyfaller> yeah, that sounds reasonable
17:03 <@skyfaller> alright, further discussion of the topics and speakers for the conference will continue on the mailing list, it seems like speakers are the biggest issue
17:03 <@skyfaller> minutes will appear on the wiki
17:04 < alecstory> can we also put the transcript up?
17:04 <@skyfaller> did you guys like EtherPad for collaborative minutes, by the way?
17:04 <@skyfaller> alecstory: can I put you in charge of putting the transcript up? :P
17:04 < alecstory> I can try
17:04 < alecstory> I wasn't logging it but I can scroll back :P
17:04 <@skyfaller> hahaha
17:04 <@skyfaller> just put a subpage on the wiki under the meeting page
17:04 -!- Hydroxide [~jimmy@lopsa/board/debian.developer.jimmy] has quit [Quit: switching to irc within my screen session]
17:05 < alecstory> how do I add a subpage?
17:05 <@skyfaller> IRC logs usually don't paste well
17:05 <@skyfaller> hm
17:05 < alecstory> ah, got it
17:06 -!- Hydroxide [~jimmy@lopsa/board/debian.developer.jimmy] has joined #freeculture
17:06 <@skyfaller> thanks for coming everyone!
17:06 <@skyfaller> </meeting>